Anyone who has actually shot a deer with 9mm and 357 magnum (such as Paul Harrell) would probably attest that a 9mm pistol, while effective at bringing down a deer, does not come close to the effectiveness of the 357 magnum pistol. By starting with an average of the ballistics data, you’ve built yourself some flexibility if that specific load you chose is discontinued, or your LGS doesn’t stock it. That’s an excellent point, Sir! Very interesting and really confirms once again that basically all proper calibers can perform admirably. Even though the Phantom is just 29oz, with the extra bullets it weighs a lot more than the Shield 45 and less conceivable. It fits me the best of any handgun I have owned) Next up is a Smith K-22. Concealed Carry Association (USCCA), and we serve gun owners who want to responsibly protect their loved ones. The actual depth of penetration will depend on the media (material) impacted, and the shape of the projectile. Uncommon sense. Also why would someone go w a 380acp when u can buy 9mm cheaper w greater selection in both ammo and firearms? It’ll punch through most anything a handgun is capable of penetrating. 1. Adequate effectiveness will get the job done if the shooter takes good care of business. The Kahr P-40 hurt, the CW-9 didn’t.

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All representatives employed by Delta Defense, LLC. Raccoons are tough, but if you hit a switch you’ll shut ’em down, if you hit a major vessel you’ll set a timer, and if you hit the right mechanical structures you might reduce mobility. Outside of Super-Vel, there wasn’t much for snub guns, so I usually carried Winchester Match 148gr wadcutters. Does it penetrate far enough to reach vital organs? In town or in the desert, I am very comfortable with 9mm for the reasons stated. Penetration is really the most important thing we want to see in a good self-defense round, so when you combine that with light recoil, a .38 special wadcutter is actually a pretty formidable self-defense round. I shoot often, so I don’t find the recoil of 357 particularly potent. I suspect that swaged lead .38 special wad cutters would not penetrate his meat test much, & even cast wad cutters would do little better. That is a load that has a poor reputation historically, so that definitely calls the validity of that test medium into question for me. In part 2 see the chronograph results and accuracy test. 1. It seems perfectly reasonable that a wadcutter of the same weight would slow down quicker in flesh (or soap) than a pointed or round nosed pellet. Using wadcutters would make it a lot more economical to have my practice and carry loads be the exact same thing. Pretty much this. Bought a box to use for target shooting (warm up round) with my Ruger LCR. The 150-grain hard cast load has the ability, even with its flat profile, of penetrating more deeply than the average hollow-point round if that is desired. That’s all good fun, and sometimes it can even be useful (for more than starting bar fights). View all posts by Mike. Each caliber functions most efficiently in different barrel lengths. See ShootingTheBull410 videos for more information; his results contradict some results seen here, specifically the performance of Hornady Critical Defense and XTP. Part of this confession is that I fall into the category of belief in heavy for caliber bullets (at moderate velocities) can be shot easier, more controlled, and deliver more energy in the target when needed, than a light bullet driven hard and fast….which results in more blast and recoil in the same revolver in my experience. Several models of 9mm and .40 S&W pistols are identical in size, providing a perfect comparison. How you as the concealed carrier (or LE, security guard, whatever) place those rounds is an entirely different subject. You now have a caliber and specific handgun that meets all your criteria. $50 spent at your gunsmith can make your life easier. Some old classics (.357 Mag SJHP, for example) are still excellent performers. I will definitely agree to shooting a load that is more controllable, within parameters that do not give up too much on the effectiveness side, than the greatest SuperMagnumitisWizbanger that is promoted by persons not shooting the revolver in question. Reloading your own is a great way to learn about your ammo, and develop loads that work for your practice, and to find out what your upper level of recoil tolerance is. Recoil management and bullet placement vs. terminal performance is the primary reason I gradually moved away from .40 S&W. Full pressure loads of both produce similar muzzle energy, but full pressure 10mm loads are somewhat more common than full pressure 357 in factory ammo. 9mm has definitely come a long way, and it’s what I count on for self defense purposes (it hits the sweet spot: powerful enough, with great capacity and low recoil), but I don’t believe it’s as good as the tests make it out to be. 1. It wouldn’t add much to an online conversation to post them. I know the 9×19 works and works well, its concealable. This site uses cookies to improve your experience. And carrying a revolver is still a bad idea due to limited capacity, difficulty to conceal at .357 sizes, and too slow to reload. I got schooled trying to prove my Agency was flat out wrong in the decision to replace the mighty 357 Sig with 9mm. 357 Mag became obsolete for duty use 3 decades ago and now the 357 Sig, 40 S&W, & 45 ACP are as well, it might take another 5 yrs for that to sink in with many civilian & LE shooters, but it’s a fact. That is not to say a 9mm might not be a better choice and way performs well enough. How about loading with wadcutters, and throwing a speed strip of the Hornady CD’s in your pocket? If they are both the same caliber and shape, they will have approximately the same penetration. If a body absorbs 600ft/lbs of energy it is going to suffer more damage than if it absorbs 350ft/lbs of energy. Generally, does the load satisfy the requirements of something I would carry? I’m sitting at a dozen or more calibers to stock, and adding a niche round is a large hurdle to justify. The beauty of gel tests is that it’s easy to replicate providing you keep the temperature and other controlled variables consistent. I had a Sergeant at a small village I used to patrol who once shot a raccoon no less than ten times with .45ACP Winchester Ranger SXT. It is clear enough to photograph the wound cavity, which holds its shape well. Folks such as ShootingTheBull410 and LuckyGunner Labs have done us an incredible service in applying terminal ballistics research to the types of handguns and barrel lengths we routinely carry.

A Ruger SR22 was my training platform for a few days, followed by progressively larger and more powerful handguns. I have an irrational draw towards carrying a revolver. You can also use a .357 Mag with a longer barrel to bump muzzle energy, though at the cost of decreased capacity and less concealability.

In my 3″ SP101, it is only about an inch low at about 7 yards. Turns out they were right, the modern 9mm duty ammo like Federal HST is so close in ballistic performance with significantly less recoil that translates to more well placed shots on target. There’s been more than one accident from a novice shooter or unauthorized user firing a flush-seated 38 wadcutter that they thought was an empty case. Thanks for sharing your thoughts and the info on this load. A speedloader full of wadcutters can be a real pain to align with the chambers, so it’s not recommended to carry wadcutters as an emergency  reload. I agree with you. Not much wonder it isn’t a perfectly straight line when it includes such a variety of shapes! If I was going to war I’d want a higher capacity sidearm but hope never to need it. Logistics. If it’ll do that, it’ll damn well take down a two-legged predator.

To me, one of the big advantages to a revolver is the ability to shoot any type of projectile that will fit down the barrel. For example, as an Amazon Associate, HAM earns from qualifying purchases if you buy by clicking-through from that link. Even then, they’re usually based on duty sized handguns. The primer drag has not gotten worse (or better), no spring issues, no barrel peening…nothing negative! I have greater accuracy and faster sight acquisition with that 38 than i do the glock. A literature review might have saved the author a lot of time. I have a Ruger LCR 327 for myself and possibly my wife. SMH, (Many carry both openly and concealed… at different times and at the same time.). The FBI’s “Handgun Wounding Factors and Effectiveness” report noted that handgun rounds generally do not have the energy to create the same type of trauma as rifle rounds.

Likewise, the Remington and Federal 125 grain JHP 357 are still pretty consistent. Note on defensive distances with my subbies: I have a somewhat defined area or bubble around me, my wife, other people where I will defend that bubble with a firearm. This article has me thinking. I remember ages ago when Jim Cirillo was on the ‘stakeout squad’ that it seemed the wadcutters from his revolvers (yes, he carried at least two) always seemed to make it on the street and into his ‘targets’. This difference is about the same as taking 4 100mph fastballs. Prior to the proliferation of reliable expanding bullet designs, the wadcutter bullet style found its way into the self-defense realm—due to its mild manners—and the belief that even though its velocity was leisurely, the sharp edges of the cylindrical bullet would cut veins and arteries as it traversed flesh (rather than just push them aside). Well, I shot a .357 snubbie. As we all know, the rubber band will just return to its normal size whether you stretch it a little or a lot as long as you do not over stretch the rubber band (at which point it never returns to it original size or outright snaps). .45 ACP threw up some impressive averages, with the widest expansion and penetration right in the middle of an ideal 12-18”. https://www.cji.edu/site/assets/files/1921/hankinschris.pdf.

I’m confident the information is accurate, however. One drawback of the wadcutter is that it is often (perhaps always, in factory ammunition) loaded as a flush-seated wadcutter.

The two favorites by a wide margin have been the G42 and S&W Shield 380EZ. Don’t shoot something beyond your abilities. Ability to accurately fire follow-on shots quickly. I think a little better stopper than a 147 grain 9mm that penetrates 15 inches. ‘It all depends on whether or not the extra velocity/energy of a .357 Magnum bullet exceeds the maximum allowable elasticity of human tissue in the path of the bullet.’. But you knew all that, didn’t you? Thus, an attacker with a firearm is a credible, imminent threat of death or grievous bodily harm even if there is an intermediate barrier between the attacker and you. “The P365 won by a slim margin, but I won’t carry it for obvious reasons.“. It allows me to throw on a weapon light for nightstand duty, doubling up purposes while on road trips or camping. However, I do think the velocity/muzzle/momentu energy cannot be minimized as an important factor in terminal ballistics. A VERY appropriate writeup for a category of gun that is one of the more difficult to master – the snubbie. Remington’s SJHPs have a lot of exposed lead and scalloped jackets and will expand very reliably, but the 125s expand a little too much for good penetration.

If I’m being shot at by someone who’s behind cover, then I don’t give a shit. An inch at 7 for the 3”, so what about at 25? A lead or hard cast wc/swc, on the other hand, can be made by small manufacturers or individuals with pretty basic equipment, materials, and knowledge. Controllable for recoil, excellent accuracy – I really like it a lot. If we multiply the SD by the velocity (in fps) on impact, we get a “penetration number” that can be used to compare different projectiles. DocGKR posts are the closest any civilian is going to get to REAL terminal ballistics knowledge. I love that legendary 45, one bad ass bullet.

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