How could we account for this, if they're not at least a distinct subspecies?

Awesome, I've always been interested in rumors of a new version of that book! Enter your email address to follow this blog and receive notifications of new posts by email. ), an aberrant form of gorilla (freak population?/new subspecies?/new species?)

You see, I have that book, and I love it very much. This page was last edited on 27 October 2020, at 03:36.

As told to me by native from the magic forest who in now living in the United States and applying for citizenship status. Although they did not find a live Bili ape, they did find several well-worn ground nests, characteristic of gorillas rather than chimpanzees, in swampy river beds. If so, could you please tell me where I could find some information on this? [10], The Bili apes pant-hoot and tree-drum like other chimpanzees, and do not howl at the moon, contrary to initial reports.

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Quotes from Dr. Williams are the original source of the claims that the animal is a hybrid or otherwise different from any established species, or that it is of great size. And, as we see so often on Skeptoid, the urban legend goes just far enough to encounter problems.

They made a distinct vocalization like a howl and were louder when the full moon rose and set.

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This, if true, is surprising enough, but not as odd as the idea that it may even have killed its feline prey, a behaviour never before reported in apes, but corresponds to rumour that has persisted locally for some time. Of course, these three apes would have reason to fear each other- at least fear the gorilla for being large, scary-looking and protective... and the chimps which enjoy eating other primates (bush babies and monkeys though). Consequently, I subsequently decided it would be best to republish the original edition (from 1995), but this time in full colour with lots of new illustrations, so that at least it would be back in print, so this is what will be happening later this year. The saga of this remarkable, highly controversial primate began more than a century ago, when in 1898 a Belgian army officer returned home from what is now the Democratic Republic of Congo with some gorilla skulls obtained by him in a forested region near the village of Bili, on the Uele River in northern Congo's Bondo area - even though no other gorillas had been found within hundreds of miles of Bili before (or since). The females definitely have a chimp's sex swellings, they pant-hoot and tree-drum, and so on". I had no idea bonobos were so much smaller than chimps! Less convinced of their separate taxonomic status, conversely, was mammalogist Prof. Colin Groves, whose examination of these skulls in 1970 led him to announce that they were indistinguishable from western lowland gorillas. And rediscover it he did, bringing back such compelling evidence for its presence that several other notable investigators launched their own searches, and returned with equally fascinating clues concerning the Bili ape's nature. Click to email this to a friend (Opens in new window), Click to share on Facebook (Opens in new window), Click to share on Twitter (Opens in new window), Click to share on Reddit (Opens in new window), Click to share on Pocket (Opens in new window), Click to share on WhatsApp (Opens in new window), Click to share on Skype (Opens in new window), Bili Apes: The Giant Lion-Eating Chimps Of The Magic Forest. The adult males show the greatest fear.

From the species’ discovery, and even earlier, in the eyes of the natives, it is considered to be aggressive and ruthless when confronted with the greatest predators in Africa – lions and leopards. GIANT SPIDERS – MONSTROUS MYTH, OR TERRIFYING TRUTH? In 2005, Time magazine wrote that what she called the "mystery ape": ... had a much flatter face [than chimpanzees] and [a] straight-across brow like gorillas and turned gray early in life. The Material herein is for non-profit educational or criticism puposes only. However, these latter claims have been denied by Amsterdam University field researcher Cleve Hicks, who spent a year with colleagues tracking Bili apes during from mid-2005 to June 2006, followed by a second study spanning July 2006-February 2007. Seriously, I’m not denying what you wrote, Mark — I believe non-human primates, especially great apes, to be intelligent animals but magic forest? Upload stories, poems, character descriptions & more. Quick question: do other chimps exhibit the sagittal crest? Hicks reported, "I see nothing gorilla about them. Do you think apes see simian similarities like we do? 7. He was sufficiently struck by their anatomical differences from other gorilla skulls as well as by their unique provenance (roughly halfway between the extreme edges of the western and eastern distribution of any gorilla populations) to classify them as a new subspecies of gorilla, which he dubbed Gorilla gorilla uellensis. Given the know small stature of the jungle people holding it up in the 1st photograph and the second photo of similarly small people in the background behind the deceased specimen, it seems to me over reach to suggest the ape is therefore larger than normal chimps.

Unfortunately, there have been relatively few detailed observations of the Bili Ape and no thorough examination of either remains or a living Bili Ape in captivity. Conversely, the facial anatomy of the Bili skulls is decidedly chimp-like, not gorilla-like. There doesn’t appear to be any explanation of how this killing of a leopard by one or more apes might have been accomplished, or whether or not they could have made and/or used weapons, such as rocks, or trapped it in some fiendish device.

Chimps only live in the jungles of the Congo. Hicks, T., Kuhl, H., Boesch, C., Dieguez, P., Ayimisin, A., Fernandez, R., Zungawa, D., Kambere, M., Swinkels, J., Menken, S., Hart, J., Mundry, R., Roessingh, P. "Bili-Uéré: A Chimpanzee Behavioural Realm in Northern Democratic Republic of Congo."

The Bili Ape inhabits the Bili Forest, located in the Democratic Republic of Congo. Ammann purchased a photograph, taken by a motion-detecting sonar cone, from poachers that captured an image of what looked like immense chimpanzees. In a 2003 letter blasting her popularly reported claims, Ammann wrote: There are at least two pictures available of chimpanzees looking larger than what is considered average size, but the aforementioned scientists do not consider them conclusive. 22 Feb. 2019, Number 90: 3-64.

Bili apes. The apes, she argues, could be a new species unknown to science, a new subspecies of chimpanzee, or a hybrid of the gorilla and the chimp.

Michael Crichton was not stupid.

Serious thought should be given to our ape cousins present and past.

I would like to know what the current status is about your new and updated version of In Search of Prehistoric Survivors.

I can't wait. The apes, she argues, could be a new species unknown to science, a new subspecies of chimpanzee or a hybrid of the gorilla and the chimp. Mr Hicks reports that he found a unique chimp culture. My new Ted X talk on the cultural behavior of the Bili apes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nt0YXZBvAZE&t=168s. Apes (Hominoidea) are a branch of Old World monkeys. For instance: if the Bili ape is a chimpanzee, it is a veritable giant, because videos of living specimens and photographs of dead ones suggest a height of 5-6 ft - a mighty stature supported by the discovery of enormous footprints, some measuring almost 14 in long, and therefore nearly 2 in longer even than those of the mountain gorilla! "The unique characteristics they exhibit just don't fit into the other groups of great apes," says Williams. The ones who lived closer fled in terror at the sight of a human (locals eat them), the ones that have never seen a human before just... kinda have mild interest, some would walk up to the team and look at them before losing interest.

“I call it the magic forest. This was the first group of Bili apes to be encountered where the adult males did not flee immediately upon seeing the humans).

Please, take some time to educate yoyrself, then correct this article. The Bili Ape is massive by chimpanzee standards.

Intrigued by the discovery of Colin Groves (an anthropologist) in 1970, examined skulls again and found that they were indistinguishable from the western gorillas’ skulls. Web.

@Capt Steve - Glad you enjoyed it. This actual science comes from the actual scientists — anthropologists, biologists, and primatologists — who were also there with Amman in the early 2000s, but who spent their time actually studying the apes, and not writing press releases for National Geographic. If these recordings exist, we would very much like to hear them.

Infact most animals are not stupid as scientists thought in the past.

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The Bili Forest lies in the northern part of the DRC (Democratic Republic of the Congo) in a land almost entirely undeveloped and dense with jungle.

Something happened — in this case, a particular population of chimps was studied — and then large parts of the story were greatly exaggerated and sensationalized by one imaginative author — in this case, Shelly Williams, working for National Geographic, a publication which (at that time) was just beginning its transformation from a respected science magazine into one that mixes in just enough mass-media sensationalism to keep the readers hungry for more. Butts holding up a supposed giant grasshopper that he had allegedly shot dead in his apple orchard duri... For any self-respecting cryptozoologist, rogue taxidermy is very much like cream cakes – naughty, but nice!

Clues to new ape species? Better that they had not been discovered then to be exploited and destroyed.

Folia Primatologica 2019. Weight of Ankylosaurus, The heaviest predatory dinosaurs. and: Karl Ammann – The Bondo Mystery Apes, I have a generalised interest in areas of research and discovery related to palaeoanthropology, archaeology and so forth.

Sign up! To the scientists who study the Bili-Uéré, the genetic differences in them from other chimps is so unremarkable that it is not even mentioned in current scientific literature.

[5], Scientists believe they are dealing with a very inbred population, in which even a large number of animals could share identical or near identical haplotypes. So what is the Bili ape - a gorilla-sized chimp (freak population?/new subspecies?/new species?

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